Latest Trends and Recommendations in Google Algorithm Updates

Cross-industry analysis of recent spam, helpful content, and core update impacts with strategic recovery tips.

Speakers: Samet Özsüleyman, Emre Dolu

06 Feb 2024

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— Hey everyone, welcome to Zeo Talks. Today we're talking with Emre about Google updates. More specifically, what Google keeps changing in the SERP and on sites. We don't have a strict plan. But our general focus will be Google updates. So Emre, welcome back.

— Thanks for having me. Hi everyone.

— My first question is this. You know Google constantly affects sites with these updates. But we also keep seeing SERP updates across tons of different industries. We're seeing new features show up there. Lots of different verticals. From e-commerce all the way to travel. So let me toss you the first pass here. What do you think about these Google SERP updates and the new features?

— Got it, thanks a lot. SERP feature'ları obviously need constant tracking. Google usually tests these in the US first. Then they roll into Turkey. Maybe a few months later, testing starts here. Throughout that process we're always watching. We already check Google News for updates. What's Google testing, what are they doing? What are they changing in the SERP? It varies by industry, of course. A new feature shows up in travel. Maybe another one in e-commerce. We track all this from different news sources. Or from Google's own documentation. And once we spot it, we act. Take Google, for example. What was the latest one? In the travel and tourism space. There's a SERP feature they've been testing lately.

Say you have a listing page. Something like "Bodrum hotels," for example. A carousel shows up right in the SERP. Hotel names and images appear directly. They'd been testing this for a few months. Especially in the US. It only recently landed in Turkey. We had already seen it coming. So we jumped on it fast. How does this carousel trigger? How do we optimize for it better? We back it up with schema. If there's an error or a gap, we fix it right away. That way, when it goes live in Turkey, we're ready. No goals scored against us. We take a good position from day one.

Testing these, catching them, and passing them to our clients works really well here. That's why tracking them matters.

— Absolutely. And here's another thought. With tools like Semrush or Ahrefs, or other tools, we usually just look at position. It might actually help to check where I stand in SERP feature'larında. You can look at competitors too, not just yourself. You can analyze your rival there. Maybe your rival dropped in SERP feature'larında. That can really matter. If your rival dropped, that's a potential click source for you. So you have to look at SERP feature'ları this way. And like you said, it varies by industry. I shared an example recently. Google shows US election results right in SERP'te. No website needed. You see results by region, by city, by state.

So for a publisher site, that's actually a problem. It can cost you clicks. That's why you should watch these SERP feature'lara in the US and other countries. Then act on them. And with our e-com clients, you know this well. Google runs a ton of different displays in SERP'te. Take pricing or shipping info. We see those all the time in shopping ad results. But in short. You look at the SERP features and ask how you can act on them. Or like you mentioned, it landed in Turkey a few months back.

When it lands in Turkey, am I ready for it? Is my brand ready for it? I think it's better to look at it that way and act accordingly. Now I want to unpack something else. We keep saying "act," so what can we actually do? On the action side, take the example you just gave. Travel was showing up as item lists. Like you said, you can check the schema markup. You can check the page. You can check the context on the page. Or maybe look at which SERP feature pulls which data from the page, and how.

In some SERP features, where do the images come from? How are they picked? There are a lot of questions like that to ask ourselves. Once we have the answers, I think preparing ourselves is the more useful move.

— Absolutely. The size of those images, the resolution, even that can matter. Prepping ahead and keeping the site ready is really important. Let me connect that to something. Actually, let me not connect it. This one showed up mostly for event and travel sites. It surfaces in the SERPs. I think Google mentioned e-commerce on their own site too. For products, I mean. But we haven't seen an example for e-commerce yet. We look at a SERP, and you follow this closely too. Still, it could land soon. So for e-commerce sites, it may help to build listing pages this way now. Set them up like the Google doc says. Back them with solid schema. Serve images at good resolution.

— Absolutely. Take FAQs as the simplest example here. It shows how SERP feature'ları get pulled and brought back. At first, as you know, tons of sites implemented it. Then what did Google say? They basically said they'd only show it for government and authoritative health sites. So when a SERP feature arrives, Google can change it. Years ago we could show that rating part in articles. You know, this article scores 3.5 out of 5. Or 3. But that one got removed too. So with these SERP feature'ları, I think you read the guidelines first. Then you take steps on implementation.

— Absolutely.

— Another thing on my mind. I want to steer us a bit deeper here. Along with SERP feature updates and SERP updates, I want to talk about Google's updates. As you know, Google bir update ships almost every month. They'd just rolled out the last spam update. I want to get into Google updates here. Let's talk about this first. I'd actually call it a hidden update right now. We see it in the SEO community. We see it with our own clients too.

Someone asks, hey, anyone see a drop on July 1st or 2nd? You look, and there really is a drop. Or it could be a lift. In clicks, in average position. But Google doesn't say anything about it. Here's how I think about it. Either there was no real update. Or it was so small Google didn't think it was worth announcing. Or here's another one. A site you compete hard with may have pulled back. Technical problems, or different legal reasons. That kind of thing happens in every industry. I think you have to consider stuff like that with these hidden updates.

— Absolutely. Google is always testing something. We track every keyword for most of our brands. Sometimes for a day or two it just drops or spikes. Next day it's back to normal. Or a client says, we were number one for this keyword. Suddenly we dropped to three. Then we went back up to one. So yeah, I really think they're testing something there. These SERP feature'ları can vary by industry, of course. Say they changed something in the SERP. Maybe they made some algorithm tweaks to see how it plays back.

Maybe they're testing things like how many clicks you get. Or how long people stay on the page. It changes from industry to industry. With hidden updates, there's nothing you can do anyway. At that point, sure. If there's an extra crawlability issue or some other problem on the page. But if there's nothing wrong, you just track it. If it drags on way too long, then check again for errors. Look at the server, the site, anything broken on the back end. In cases like this, I think that's enough.

— I totally agree with you. Let me tie this straight into the spam update. We actually started seeing these more often in 2023, right? Back then there weren't many public statements about spam updates. And with this latest spam update. Google folks said it has nothing to do with links. I think you need to look a bit closer after seeing this spam update. Google bir dashboard already lists it. Actually it lists all the updates there. What day it wrapped up, how many days it ran, or whether it's still rolling.

If your site really moved on those dates, sure. Go down to Pacific time if you want. Check it against Pacific time. But if Search Console or your other tools show a positive or negative swing after the spam update. Know that it probably hit you. Assuming there was no major change on your site around those dates. So here's another thing to watch. I see this mistake all the time. A spam update, okay. But what kind of spam exactly? Spam comes in many different forms.

Keyword stuffing, link spam, all of it. So with a spam update, look at what Google actually said. They said it wasn't about link spam. Maybe the problems were on the content side. So with a spam update, it makes more sense to dig into those details.

— Yeah, definitely. And Google doesn't give much detail there either, sadly.

— Yeah, none at all. If you ask, maybe you get something in a meet. You have to pull those sentences out with tweezers.

— Exactly. On the last Core Update, I think they did share a bit. Here's what we'll do, watch out for these, we'll try a few things on spam. We saw a little explanation back then. But usually they don't give much. With spam updates, if your client is looking at you. There's usually no real spam problem on your site anyway. If you're not doing keyword spam in your content, you're probably fine. Same if you're not pumping out bad AI-generated content. I don't think you'll run into much trouble. And with spam links, Google catches 99% of it algorithmically now. It knows what's spam on its own.

It's not like the old days. Constantly updating my list in the disavow tool. We still check now and then, sure. But we don't do it nearly as often. Google catches most of it anyway.

— So many links come in, Emre. You know how it is. Some projects get links from 2,000-3,000 different domains in a single day. Which one are you even going to track? And it shows up today, gone tomorrow. By the time you add it to a file and upload it to Search Console. It's already deleted.

— Yeah, there's usually some spam activity on that side. You get a lot of links from abroad. They'll tack a slash and some nonsense onto the end of your domain. That just 404s on our end. So the incoming link hits a 404 anyway. And for links that hit a 404, Google says you don't need to do anything. It says it detects those already. Says they have basically zero effect. Sure, you could still block them with the disavow tool just to be safe. But they won't cause any problems either way.

It's something we've all gotten used to lately. Those glitches happen. Actually, six or seven months back we saw something in every Search Console. Remember? Links dropping to 404, coming out of nowhere. You'd swear they were known links, right? They got picked up somewhere. All those known links showed up in every Search Console. There's not much you can do about it. It was happening on every site anyway.

— By the way, I still see it in some Search Console accounts. Like, they never hit validate. Or maybe it has nothing to do with validation. Could be a Search Console bug. It just sits there. So that kind of thing happens too.

— Yeah. One small thing came to mind. In cases like this, you really have to check one thing. Is there an actual problem on the server side? A hack. Because it does happen sometimes. Big sites run into it. Especially with a hack, you get all kinds of junk links. You can catch that right away on the server side. That's why security measures matter so much on the server.

— Yes, that side matters a lot. Once a virus gets in, it creates thousands of warnings. Coming back from that can be really hard. Let me tie this to something, Emre. Before we get to the Core Update, one last thing. You know Google has different products. Google Discover, Google News, and so on. This is the part people often miss. A spam update can also hit Discover or Google News. So looking at performance in those products helps too. How does it affect Discover, for example?

Say you have a piece of content. Or you've been publishing for a while. You're getting solid clicks. But over time, Google's algorithms read user signals. They figure out your content isn't actually good. Then your Discover traffic drops. So don't forget these updates aren't just web-focused. They hit Google Discover and News too. Worth repeating here. Google Discover has its own guidelines. It has its own spam policies. Follow those and you shouldn't run into trouble there. Intervening on the Discover side is hard anyway. By that I mean optimization options are very limited. You know it doesn't show queries. It reports by landing page.

You'll still find something there. You pull the data and so on. I'm bringing it up because our topic is the update. If you've seen a drop on the Discover side, check this. Landing pages that lost traffic. Yeah, I say nothing about drops caused by trends. But if other topics are dropping too, look at quality. You need to review that content again. Remember, you're responsible for every piece of it. Google knows you as the Webmaster. It doesn't know your editor or your writer. You're the one moderating. It's on you.

— Absolutely. Like you said, content quality is the first focus. Freshness too. Keep updating. Refresh content with new information. Or publish new pieces. If you're already doing all of that, all that's left is waiting.

— Absolutely. Let's get to the biggest topic. Core Updates. Google's broad core updates, let's call them. Google announces these itself. It says, I rolled out this update. It's expected to take this long. Long or short, doesn't matter. Core Update is something we live through constantly. If I'm not mistaken, a couple of updates back. Google actually collected feedback from Webmasters about the results of that update. So maybe, based on that feedback. Google will focus on different things in the next updates. That's what I think.

How they'll use those insights, or how much insight actually got through, we don't know. That's up for debate. Let me say one thing about Core Updates and then hand it to you. Here's a case. Say your site covers one specific topic. And that site has pulled steady traffic on that topic for two years. Then a Core Update hits and it drops. The reason could be this. There are many possible reasons, I know. But shifting intent is one of them. Users used to land on your site for a topic, read the content. And send you clicks.

But intent and the web have changed so much. Maybe users now want to hop on YouTube and watch the video instead of reading. So that might be the real reason behind your click loss. I'm curious what you think about Core Updates.

— Absolutely. During a Core Update it's all "how far did we drop. How far did we climb." There's usually not much you can do in that moment. If you dropped after a Core Update hit. There's no big rescue right then, not much...

— You really need to be ready beforehand.

— Exactly. Saving it in that moment is really hard. Unless you've got a crawlability issue or a big technical problem. Then it's: what can I do before the next Core Update? That's what you need to look at. Updating your content, like you said. If you have content that dropped, ask what actually changed after the Core Update. What is the person searching for? Look at that. Like you said, maybe the video content got stale. Update it somehow. It lifts the user experience.

You know AI overviews are still being tested, especially in the US. They haven't hit our country yet, of course. But you can ask now: how do I show up better in AI overviews? Work on it today. Shape your content for it now. Use good Turkish. Explain things well. Maybe look at your competitors. Offer the info they don't. Content that actually helps the user. That's going to be great for landing in overviews. So work on this early. Produce solid content. Then wait to climb in the Core Update. That's the right strategy anyway.

At this point, on the technical side. I don't know how much we need to dig in. Just be really good technically.

— That part's a given. You have to watch it, sure. But here's a thought, Emre. You know I write posts about Thailand on my blog sometimes. I look and there's site X. You want to outrank it somehow, right? I mess with this mostly to run tests. So that site, or some other company. Says they were already getting traffic from that query before I wrote my post. Then suddenly you pass them and their traffic drops. Yours goes up. But if that lands right on a Core Update, they might not read it correctly.

That's why I keep coming back to what Google's own documentation says. Other Google folks say it on Twitter constantly too. Is this person an expert in this space? Does the content really reflect your work? Maybe that's the thing to check. Say I'm making content about the Songkran Festival. Am I actually giving every detail here? When a user lands, can they get the info they want? Not just a pile of words. Which hotel to stay at, what to watch out for. The water guns and all that. Pretty niche stuff. You show your expertise there, and the user finds what they came for.

So it's not just about filler words. Even if you write great content, presenting it well matters. Say you wrote something excellent. No subheadings, no visuals. Nothing that helps readability. That's a problem too. The user can bounce before they even scroll. So I think you have to watch for this in content. Let me tie this to something else. Same for e-commerce sites. Say you just launched. Competing with the big e-commerce players is really hard. Even in a niche vertical. Here's an example. You launch the site, and a Core Update period hits. Did you actually follow the EEAT guidelines? You just launched, and I'm about to pay money for this product.

Is there an About page? If something goes wrong, how do I reach you? What are your business hours? Is your contact form or contact section served on the right URL? I once saw something that wasn't spam exactly. It was built to trick Google. The site owner redirects the contact page somewhere else. It looks almost identical. Basically to repeat that site. But that site has no contact page at all. So you have to prepare for these Core Updates with search quality raters in mind. Especially in e-commerce.

You already covered the technical stuff. I think those matter here too. Let me follow up on something, say a Core Update. Let's say we dropped. Our click count went down. Sometimes people don't look at this. It gets ignored. Your clicks drop but your average position goes up. So the positions themselves look fine. This could be a trend, for example. You might be hit by regional or seasonal factors. I think you have to look at those too. During a Core Update especially, do you have specific advice for users?

For webmasters, rather.

— Before that question, let me add one small thing.

— Of course, go ahead.

— You mentioned content. It really matters for building trust. But SEO alone isn't enough here. You need work across every marketing channel to earn people's trust. And remember what we said about specific details in content. Also, that content should come from real first-hand experience. Like you said, the Water Festival in Thailand. The water gun festival. Say you experienced it yourself. You share your own take on it. Here's how it goes, here's what happens. You tell it that way. And maybe you shot your own visuals too. If you have extra photos and such. Feeding the piece with those pulls its quality score straight up. So if you're in a specific industry with a content team. Having that team experience the topic first-hand and write from there is a whole different level.

I wanted to add that. Back to your question. After you drop in a Core Update, like I said. There's sadly not much to do right then. Once the Core Update wraps up, you need to look at the industry. What actually changed in your own space? What happened? Did anything shift in the SERP? Which sites moved up?

— You have to look at your own site. Did certain pages drop? Which pages dropped?

— Exactly. You need solid analysis. If specific pages dropped, start with those pages. Check the competitors too. Maybe new players showed up. Maybe they're doing things better than you. You have to study them. So competitor analysis matters a lot here. If the drop hits the whole site, not just one page, it could be technical. Maybe something's wrong with crawlability. Maybe it's a crawl budget issue. Worth digging into those too. If there's no technical issue, or you already fixed it. Then just keep going until the next Core Update. Follow Google's guidelines. Publish content consistently. Do better work than your competitors. Then wait for the next Core Update and hope you climb.

— Exactly. Publish content, and update the old stuff too. Making it better should be part of the plan. I'd add one more thing to what you said. The webmaster has to be honest with the SEO specialist. Because when you and I start a project. All we know is what you tell us. Let me give an example. Not because I lived through it, of course. Say you spun the content. Or produced it with AI without adding any value. Or copied it from other sources. And then you say, "Samet, I dropped in the update."

"But before the update, I did this and this. So I think that might be what's affecting it." If you share those details too. It helps us. And we can run the analysis much faster.

— Absolutely. On that side, the dev teams, the IT team. The server-side teams all need a coordinated flow of information. Something the dev team shipped earlier can hurt SEO without us ever knowing. It can hurt organic traffic too. That's why doing everything in a test environment matters. Going back and forth on it is critical.

— Also with a Core Update, there's the "I checked and my clicks dropped" thing. That's actually a bit separate from the Core Update. But let me give an example. You have to look at the non-brand keywords here. Brand terms are already at the top anyway. Here's another one. Say you're looking at all queries in the click data. But compared to last month or last year, whatever period Google's comparing against. They're also running Search ads on Google Ads. Say they put 100 lira a month into brand queries last year. This month it's 500.

So what happens when that 100 lira runs out? The clicks shift to organic. If nobody's competing on Ads, brand query clicks go up on the organic side. But now you're spending the whole budget there. What happens? Brand traffic to organic drops to almost zero. So I think it's worth running these analyses while checking brand versus non-brand. Check the Google Ads Search campaign budget too.

— Absolutely. I had a client like this. Three months into organic work, they weren't running any ads yet. Then PPC campaigns kicked off too. And suddenly our brand traffic did something weird. Say brand traffic was 50,000 a month. It dropped to 20,000 overnight. We look at search volume. Search volume is flat or even up. At that point you can check something else. You can look at the data from the Google Ads side. Which queries pulled how many clicks from PPC. If the totals line up with the Google Analytics total. We don't really have a problem there.

It's coming from PPC, not from us. So we don't really run into trouble there.

— Yeah, exactly. And when it's time to act — say we started an analysis together. A project dropped after a Core Update. What do we say? Here's what we recommend you do. Here are the details. If you can't put resources behind that work, sit down and think it over. Or wait until you can, then work with SEO specialists. That's probably more useful. Because we don't have a magic wand. When we hand you the recommended fixes, you need to ship them fast. That way you climb back up on the next update. So if you genuinely don't have the effort to spare, build that capacity first. Then working with an SEO specialist or an SEO agency might pay off more.

— I totally agree. We send the tasks over, or we pile up the backlog. But 20 percent gets done and 80 percent doesn't. When that happens, results are much harder to come by. So like you said, plan it upfront. Decide the SEO budget and the man-hours you'll commit. Man-hours on the engineering side can get tight. The dev team obviously can't focus on SEO alone. On a large e-commerce site, there's cart functionality and everything else. They're doing work to keep the system running correctly.

Other projects keep coming in. At that point, sure, they can put us off. But planning ahead makes everything better.

— Absolutely. Nothing else comes to mind, Emre. That's what I wanted to say about Core Update, Spam Update. And Google updates in general. Anything on your end?

— Nothing extra comes to mind. Especially on SERP issues. Toward the end of 2024, maybe we'll start seeing AI overviews. Then we can build action plans around them. What we can do, what we can change. Maybe we talk about that later. The AI side is getting even more important for Google. It already was. Now it's more so. Let's see how it changes SEO. We'll talk about that down the road.

— Yeah, we'll see. Like I said, in short: with a Core Update. Just make your site the best it can be. The rest is up to Google. Say you sell bike locks. Make that page genuinely the best. Lock grades and all that. Or flashlights. These are niche examples. But present them as well as you possibly can. Then check the situation. Because if you can't get these to top quality somehow. Quality issues can show up on your site too. So even if you implement structured data correctly. Your structured data may not show in the SERP. Your site just doesn't look high quality.

That can cause quality problems too.

— Absolutely.

— Okay then. Nothing else comes to mind, Emre. So huge thanks to everyone listening. See you in another ZEO Talks. Take care of yourselves. Bye for now.

— Thanks so much. Take care of yourselves. Bye for now.

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